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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.arkanimals.com/animal-training-career-risks-emotional-attachments/comment-page-1/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing Ruth. Yes, I would not do much different and hate how politics and financial concerns cloud the horizon when it comes to animal management and care. I&#039;ve had extreme joys and some hard knocks but ultimately, I do what I do because there was never anything else for me. Today that passion is being conveyed through some of my written works and I am hoping I can influence others in the same way my predecessors influenced me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Ruth. Yes, I would not do much different and hate how politics and financial concerns cloud the horizon when it comes to animal management and care. I&#8217;ve had extreme joys and some hard knocks but ultimately, I do what I do because there was never anything else for me. Today that passion is being conveyed through some of my written works and I am hoping I can influence others in the same way my predecessors influenced me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that with anything worth while there comes a great risk. Everyone who loves animals takes that risk when they work with those that don&#039;t belong to them. You have to understand going into it that you will get hurt. It&#039;s not if, but when. Unfortunately the people who hold the lives of the animals we love in their hands don&#039;t always feel the way we feel about them. That factor makes a career with animals tough, but if the passion is there, then there is nothing else in the world that can take it&#039;s place. Be ready for tears, but the greatest joy as well...that&#039;s living life to the fullest. You have remember that you have made a difference in the lives of those animals even if for a short time. It&#039;s worth the pain.. it&#039;s what it&#039;s all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that with anything worth while there comes a great risk. Everyone who loves animals takes that risk when they work with those that don&#8217;t belong to them. You have to understand going into it that you will get hurt. It&#8217;s not if, but when. Unfortunately the people who hold the lives of the animals we love in their hands don&#8217;t always feel the way we feel about them. That factor makes a career with animals tough, but if the passion is there, then there is nothing else in the world that can take it&#8217;s place. Be ready for tears, but the greatest joy as well&#8230;that&#8217;s living life to the fullest. You have remember that you have made a difference in the lives of those animals even if for a short time. It&#8217;s worth the pain.. it&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jane, yes it is pretty gut-wrenching when you move on or have lose them for a variety of reasons. Working with clients who come to you with their animals is a lot easier in some ways but then dealing with the human element can be challenging in other ways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jane, yes it is pretty gut-wrenching when you move on or have lose them for a variety of reasons. Working with clients who come to you with their animals is a lot easier in some ways but then dealing with the human element can be challenging in other ways!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and comments.  It must be very difficult to work with animals which aren&#039;t your own...it&#039;s hard for me as an instructor and all I&#039;m trying to do is help their owners improve things.  But to personally work with an animal and then lose them- ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and comments.  It must be very difficult to work with animals which aren&#8217;t your own&#8230;it&#8217;s hard for me as an instructor and all I&#8217;m trying to do is help their owners improve things.  But to personally work with an animal and then lose them- ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Steve Martin has a good way of describing concepts so most people can understand them.

When I first launched my business, the tagline was &quot;Training animals using trust, respect, and understanding.&quot; 

Still on my license plate after all these years and vital to working successfully with any species in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Steve Martin has a good way of describing concepts so most people can understand them.</p>
<p>When I first launched my business, the tagline was &#8220;Training animals using trust, respect, and understanding.&#8221; </p>
<p>Still on my license plate after all these years and vital to working successfully with any species in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe animals pick up on a lot of other clues beyond voice intonation as well. 

They are attuned to survival and to the nuances in the environment so nuances of a trainer are in alignment with that sensitivity and awareness.

In my work, I find that most people have trouble adapting to the use of a marker beyond the voice without a lot of practice.

Ultimately, I don&#039;t think that what type of marker is important as long as it is consistent and delivered in a timely manner.

And yes, I&#039;ve heard you use your tongue clicking--very ingenious. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe animals pick up on a lot of other clues beyond voice intonation as well. </p>
<p>They are attuned to survival and to the nuances in the environment so nuances of a trainer are in alignment with that sensitivity and awareness.</p>
<p>In my work, I find that most people have trouble adapting to the use of a marker beyond the voice without a lot of practice.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I don&#8217;t think that what type of marker is important as long as it is consistent and delivered in a timely manner.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;ve heard you use your tongue clicking&#8211;very ingenious. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Ruth. Yes, there are definitely a lot of ups and downs and I&#039;ve cried my fair share over the years, too. 

I saw one bear that I had worked with about 20 years previously. He was at a sanctuary and had been suffering hard times elsewhere before arriving.

He remembered me also.

Lots of stories, lots of heartache, lots of joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Ruth. Yes, there are definitely a lot of ups and downs and I&#8217;ve cried my fair share over the years, too. </p>
<p>I saw one bear that I had worked with about 20 years previously. He was at a sanctuary and had been suffering hard times elsewhere before arriving.</p>
<p>He remembered me also.</p>
<p>Lots of stories, lots of heartache, lots of joy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, with regards to emotions and relationships with the animal during training..

(bird trainer) Steve Martin talks about building a trust account with the animal. When you&#039;re interacting positively with the animal, playing with the animal, using positive reinforcement, you&#039;re making deposits into your trust account. When you&#039;re using punishers or aversives, or putting the animal in stressful or frustrating situations, you&#039;re making withdrawals from that trust account. 

If you&#039;ve got a big balance built up in that account, the animal will usually still stick with you if something goes wrong, you get stuck in a stressful situation, or if you use a mild aversive. If you don&#039;t have that account built up, the animal is likely to leave, shut down, or get defensive. 

Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, with regards to emotions and relationships with the animal during training..</p>
<p>(bird trainer) Steve Martin talks about building a trust account with the animal. When you&#8217;re interacting positively with the animal, playing with the animal, using positive reinforcement, you&#8217;re making deposits into your trust account. When you&#8217;re using punishers or aversives, or putting the animal in stressful or frustrating situations, you&#8217;re making withdrawals from that trust account. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got a big balance built up in that account, the animal will usually still stick with you if something goes wrong, you get stuck in a stressful situation, or if you use a mild aversive. If you don&#8217;t have that account built up, the animal is likely to leave, shut down, or get defensive. </p>
<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Mary H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Okay, there are some that believe you should take out the emotion when working with any animal.

This is why markers (clicker, light, whistle) are preferred to voice. Why?

    * Because the the voice inflection can influence an animal’s behavior and convey the emotional state of the trainer, and
    * because you can suppress or alter the animal’s behavior if you respond emotionally.&quot;


The animal is going to pick up on your emotional state just as fast from your body language as from any words you say. So, I&#039;m skeptical of any arguments that promote the clicker based on emotions. 

Any marker signal is going to be effective if it is clear and used consistently. (Usually) the problem with words, especially for novice trainers, is they aren&#039;t consistent with their timing or how they are using their words. In this case, giving a novice owner a clicker is going to help them focus and (often) improve their timing and consistency. 

But, using any marker is a learned skill. I know several very good trainers who use verbal markers and are successful with them. They probably get better results with a verbal than they would with a click, merely because they are more practiced with their verbal marker. Likewise, someone who&#039;s been using a clicker for years is going to be more accurate with a clicker than with a verbal marker. 

I use a click sound I make with my mouth. It&#039;s clear to my horses and gives me a free hand. 

Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Okay, there are some that believe you should take out the emotion when working with any animal.</p>
<p>This is why markers (clicker, light, whistle) are preferred to voice. Why?</p>
<p>    * Because the the voice inflection can influence an animal’s behavior and convey the emotional state of the trainer, and<br />
    * because you can suppress or alter the animal’s behavior if you respond emotionally.&#8221;</p>
<p>The animal is going to pick up on your emotional state just as fast from your body language as from any words you say. So, I&#8217;m skeptical of any arguments that promote the clicker based on emotions. </p>
<p>Any marker signal is going to be effective if it is clear and used consistently. (Usually) the problem with words, especially for novice trainers, is they aren&#8217;t consistent with their timing or how they are using their words. In this case, giving a novice owner a clicker is going to help them focus and (often) improve their timing and consistency. </p>
<p>But, using any marker is a learned skill. I know several very good trainers who use verbal markers and are successful with them. They probably get better results with a verbal than they would with a click, merely because they are more practiced with their verbal marker. Likewise, someone who&#8217;s been using a clicker for years is going to be more accurate with a clicker than with a verbal marker. </p>
<p>I use a click sound I make with my mouth. It&#8217;s clear to my horses and gives me a free hand. </p>
<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know all about emotions when it comes to animals; especially cats.  I worked with two mountain lions, 2 lynxs and a bobcat as well as hybrid wolves, otters, raptors (eagles, owls and hawks)at a wildlife rehab.facility 6 years ago.  I FELL IN LOVE with a baby mountain lion and helped raise him for the year I worked there (he got more attention from me than anybody) until the owner retired and closed it down.  She and I parted on bad terms because I disagreed with her methods (shock collars and cattle prods - when I got best results using observation, love and respect), and that resulted in her telling me where she placed everyone BUT my beloved cougar.  It took me 3 1/2 years to find him, but I did.  He remembered me by acting out the game we used to play.  I cried harder than I have in a very long time.  I have never bonded with any animal as deeply as with him.  My heart was wrenched out of my chest and for over 3 years I fell into a deep depression.  Now he lives in much less space, gets no interaction and very little enrichment.  So my separation anxiety has now been replaced with longing and sorrow because of his situation (which, I&#039;m happy to say, has a very good chance of changing soon and I will once again be his caregiver as well as owner, although he might say he&#039;s MY owner)  Bottom line is life is hard.  You have to ask yourself if enriching the life or lives of others
is worth risking emotions over.  My answer was ABSOLUTELY.  Life is full of ups and downs.  But if you give &quot;ups&quot; to others, your &quot;downs&quot; will be less painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know all about emotions when it comes to animals; especially cats.  I worked with two mountain lions, 2 lynxs and a bobcat as well as hybrid wolves, otters, raptors (eagles, owls and hawks)at a wildlife rehab.facility 6 years ago.  I FELL IN LOVE with a baby mountain lion and helped raise him for the year I worked there (he got more attention from me than anybody) until the owner retired and closed it down.  She and I parted on bad terms because I disagreed with her methods (shock collars and cattle prods &#8211; when I got best results using observation, love and respect), and that resulted in her telling me where she placed everyone BUT my beloved cougar.  It took me 3 1/2 years to find him, but I did.  He remembered me by acting out the game we used to play.  I cried harder than I have in a very long time.  I have never bonded with any animal as deeply as with him.  My heart was wrenched out of my chest and for over 3 years I fell into a deep depression.  Now he lives in much less space, gets no interaction and very little enrichment.  So my separation anxiety has now been replaced with longing and sorrow because of his situation (which, I&#8217;m happy to say, has a very good chance of changing soon and I will once again be his caregiver as well as owner, although he might say he&#8217;s MY owner)  Bottom line is life is hard.  You have to ask yourself if enriching the life or lives of others<br />
is worth risking emotions over.  My answer was ABSOLUTELY.  Life is full of ups and downs.  But if you give &#8220;ups&#8221; to others, your &#8220;downs&#8221; will be less painful.</p>
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