Comments on: Predators in Action Bear Attack http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/ Embark on an armchair safari with animal expert and author Diana L Guerrero. Explore wild and domestic animal behavior, training, careers, and more. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:48:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Ark Lady http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-202 Ark Lady Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:15:26 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-202 @Andrew: Sorry to hear about your friend. Freedom is relative as we encroach into more and more habitat animals are crowded into less and less space. Some of the problems we see with wildlife is because of our encroachment. Captive born and bred animals are a different culture--city kids versus country kids is a parallel. They don't have the same skill sets, see other places outside of their living quarters as foreign and often threatening. Counterpoint is the wild animal that is brought into captivity--stress from close proximity to people and confinement is huge. @Renee: Thanks for commenting. Actually Rocky will not be euthanized--which is good news. Read more here: http://www.bearvalleynews.com/bvn%201042408.htm @Chris: Appreciate your comments but to clarify, elephant incidents have been escalating and they don't always give warning. Part of this is attributed to the culling and lack of guidance (and discipline) from older, stronger elephants. I wrote about this sometime back. As for Rocky, I don't know if he will continue to work or be retired. When you work with wild animals you know you are at risk and sometimes accidents do happen. @Andrew: Sorry to hear about your friend. Freedom is relative as we encroach into more and more habitat animals are crowded into less and less space. Some of the problems we see with wildlife is because of our encroachment. Captive born and bred animals are a different culture–city kids versus country kids is a parallel. They don’t have the same skill sets, see other places outside of their living quarters as foreign and often threatening. Counterpoint is the wild animal that is brought into captivity–stress from close proximity to people and confinement is huge.
@Renee: Thanks for commenting. Actually Rocky will not be euthanized–which is good news. Read more here: http://www.bearvalleynews.com/bvn%201042408.htm
@Chris: Appreciate your comments but to clarify, elephant incidents have been escalating and they don’t always give warning. Part of this is attributed to the culling and lack of guidance (and discipline) from older, stronger elephants. I wrote about this sometime back. As for Rocky, I don’t know if he will continue to work or be retired. When you work with wild animals you know you are at risk and sometimes accidents do happen.

]]> By: Chris Fell http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-197 Chris Fell Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:11:01 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-197 Well said Renee. You have hands-on experience with animals which puts you in-the-know. People should realize that wild animals are always wild. Even a wolf hybrid dog can attack. Just because it is half domestic and raised in a home, its behaviour can still be unpredictable. The key is respect and knowledge. As for being attacked by an elephant in Africa, those tourists had to have been too close to the herd. Elephants really only charge as a warning and don't attack, so that tourist must have been cocky and gotten too close...to close for the elephant. And if it was anywhere near mating time...bad timing folks. As for Rocky, sure he could still be in movies but everyone has to realize that they are at risk. Well said Renee. You have hands-on experience with animals which puts you in-the-know. People should realize that wild animals are always wild. Even a wolf hybrid dog can attack. Just because it is half domestic and raised in a home, its behaviour can still be unpredictable. The key is respect and knowledge.
As for being attacked by an elephant in Africa, those tourists had to have been too close to the herd. Elephants really only charge as a warning and don’t attack, so that tourist must have been cocky and gotten too close…to close for the elephant. And if it was anywhere near mating time…bad timing folks.
As for Rocky, sure he could still be in movies but everyone has to realize that they are at risk.

]]> By: Renee Glenney http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-175 Renee Glenney Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:13:43 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-175 I think there is a good & bad side to using animals in tv, movies etc. The good side, to me, is that it makes people aware that these creatures have character, are intelligent (more so than we give them credit for in most instances), they tend to get people more involved in animal issues etc. I think Steve Irwin did more for crocs in the positive light than anyone could have ever imagined could be done. The bad side is that these animal actors live their lives in enclosures/pens, are taught behaviors that are not normally seen in wild animals & sometimes (not often I hope) endure abuse while training. The most horrific ending to their lives comes when they are no longer needed/wanted/too old etc and end up in a *canned* hunt somewhere. Now how anyone with an ounce of sportsmanship in them could hunt an animal in an enclosure or one that was raised by humans is beyond me but that is the case. but that's another story. I hope Rocky is not euthanized due to someone's *mistake*. I have trained dogs for over 30 years and did wildlife rescue and rehab (cougars, wolves and Fl Wildlife) for 6+ years and whenever there was a bite/mauling incident I heard of it could usually be traced back to *human error*> I think there is a good & bad side to using animals in tv, movies etc. The good side, to me, is that it makes people aware that these creatures have character, are intelligent (more so than we give them credit for in most instances), they tend to get people more involved in animal issues etc. I think Steve Irwin did more for crocs in the positive light than anyone could have ever imagined could be done. The bad side is that these animal actors live their lives in enclosures/pens, are taught behaviors that are not normally seen in wild animals & sometimes (not often I hope) endure abuse while training. The most horrific ending to their lives comes when they are no longer needed/wanted/too old etc and end up in a *canned* hunt somewhere. Now how anyone with an ounce of sportsmanship in them could hunt an animal in an enclosure or one that was raised by humans is beyond me but that is the case. but that’s another story. I hope Rocky is not euthanized due to someone’s *mistake*. I have trained dogs for over 30 years and did wildlife rescue and rehab (cougars, wolves and Fl Wildlife) for 6+ years and whenever there was a bite/mauling incident I heard of it could usually be traced back to *human error*>

]]> By: Andrew http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-169 Andrew Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:17:31 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-169 There are huge numbers of captive animals that couldn't adapt to being released into the wild. As long as the zoos are serious about "creature comfort" and limit their stock to captive-bred or disabled animals, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. While cages or even landscaped enclosures are nowhere close to a natural habitat, is it really a cruel lifestyle? Humans spend nearly all of their time confined to a house, automobile, or office cubicle - it's not much different than a zoo: public display, temporary handling crates, and private cages. Of course freedom of choice is the key difference - I can go running in the woods whenever I'm feeling stir crazy. This freedom of choice is what makes animal entertainment more objectionable. It's one thing to let them live at peace even if in captivity, but forcing them to perform specified tricks on a set schedule can be cruel, especially if the particular animal doesn't enjoy such behavior. Conversely, seeing animals only in their natural habitat brings the danger of excessive "eco-tourism". One of my college classmates was killed by an elephant in Africa when it reacted to the clicking of her camera's shutter. Sometimes I wonder if that elephant was sick of all the paparazzi? And there lies the dilemma - if we give the animals too much freedom, they have the option to injure us; if we constrain them to a degree that guarantees our safety, then their lives are miserable. There are huge numbers of captive animals that couldn’t adapt to being released into the wild. As long as the zoos are serious about “creature comfort” and limit their stock to captive-bred or disabled animals, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

While cages or even landscaped enclosures are nowhere close to a natural habitat, is it really a cruel lifestyle? Humans spend nearly all of their time confined to a house, automobile, or office cubicle - it’s not much different than a zoo: public display, temporary handling crates, and private cages.

Of course freedom of choice is the key difference - I can go running in the woods whenever I’m feeling stir crazy.

This freedom of choice is what makes animal entertainment more objectionable. It’s one thing to let them live at peace even if in captivity, but forcing them to perform specified tricks on a set schedule can be cruel, especially if the particular animal doesn’t enjoy such behavior.

Conversely, seeing animals only in their natural habitat brings the danger of excessive “eco-tourism”. One of my college classmates was killed by an elephant in Africa when it reacted to the clicking of her camera’s shutter. Sometimes I wonder if that elephant was sick of all the paparazzi?

And there lies the dilemma - if we give the animals too much freedom, they have the option to injure us; if we constrain them to a degree that guarantees our safety, then their lives are miserable.

]]> By: Ark Lady http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-164 Ark Lady Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:43:25 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-164 I think the whole "wild animals in captivity" issue is one that people will continue to polarize over. Some people don't even want pets in entertainment--and don't get me started on the number of domestic animal incidents, dog bites, and occupational deaths from working with domestics. Since I've been around a while (30 years +) I have seen the pendulum swing from one side of the scale--where people could care less about the animals and their environment and saw them purely as a novelty or entertainment--to the opposite side where people now want them out of captivity and not mentally stimulated (trained). The problem of the pendulum is that neither side is generally right but feel that they are. Today people know and care about animals because of the exposure through captivity--zoos and other venues such as circuses AND by knowing the individuals are motivated to take actions to conserve or change laws in order to make life better for them. In the media, animal actors remain a favorite. On one hand the documentaries (which often set up shots with animal actors) expose people to the world of the animal kingdom while educating people about them. The underbelly of the industry is that even the great shows like Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, early Disney, and the Croc Hunter--shows that motivated people to care--often had not-so-nice things happen on the set or behind the scenes. There will always be good and bad. There will always be risk...especially when working with wildlife but even domestics have risks! BTW, captive animals are not like their wild counterparts--the whole idea of "be free" is a bit naive. It would be like turning a city kid out into the local forest to live. Just look at Keiko's tragic death--people want to believe in the dream and not the reality: http://www.arkanimals.com/dlg/keiko.htm No matter what the opinion, we don't live in an ideal world so the answers are never simple. This won't be the last animal attack incident--and the topic will remain a hot one for a long time to come. I think the whole “wild animals in captivity” issue is one that people will continue to polarize over.

Some people don’t even want pets in entertainment–and don’t get me started on the number of domestic animal incidents, dog bites, and occupational deaths from working with domestics.

Since I’ve been around a while (30 years +) I have seen the pendulum swing from one side of the scale–where people could care less about the animals and their environment and saw them purely as a novelty or entertainment–to the opposite side where people now want them out of captivity and not mentally stimulated (trained).

The problem of the pendulum is that neither side is generally right but feel that they are. Today people know and care about animals because of the exposure through captivity–zoos and other venues such as circuses AND by knowing the individuals are motivated to take actions to conserve or change laws in order to make life better for them.

In the media, animal actors remain a favorite. On one hand the documentaries (which often set up shots with animal actors) expose people to the world of the animal kingdom while educating people about them.

The underbelly of the industry is that even the great shows like Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom, early Disney, and the Croc Hunter–shows that motivated people to care–often had not-so-nice things happen on the set or behind the scenes.

There will always be good and bad. There will always be risk…especially when working with wildlife but even domestics have risks!

BTW, captive animals are not like their wild counterparts–the whole idea of “be free” is a bit naive.

It would be like turning a city kid out into the local forest to live.

Just look at Keiko’s tragic death–people want to believe in the dream and not the reality: http://www.arkanimals.com/dlg/keiko.htm

No matter what the opinion, we don’t live in an ideal world so the answers are never simple.

This won’t be the last animal attack incident–and the topic will remain a hot one for a long time to come.

]]> By: Danielle Chonody http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-160 Danielle Chonody Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:45:23 +0000 http://www.arkanimals.com/2008/04/23/predators-in-action-bear-attack/#comment-160 I have always enjoyed animal shows - I haven't been to many circus acts but mainly shows at amusement parks. As you say there are always risks with wild animals but these shows may be the only chance that some people have to see them in the flesh. The show that I enjoyed the most was the Seaworld show that uses rescued dogs and cats as performers. No doubt these acts are less risky but just as entertaining. I have always enjoyed animal shows - I haven’t been to many circus acts but mainly shows at amusement parks. As you say there are always risks with wild animals but these shows may be the only chance that some people have to see them in the flesh.

The show that I enjoyed the most was the Seaworld show that uses rescued dogs and cats as performers. No doubt these acts are less risky but just as entertaining.

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